bonga
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 14:34:40 GMT -5
Hello serious suggesiton here. Do away with taijutsu, kenjutsu, etc.
Simply have "CQC" -- a perk that functions as your attack speed and applies any time you're fighting. It is gated by having techniques of any kind, be they taijutsu, kenjutsu, etc. Instead of having a different profession for each and every single type of weaponry, you simply have a specific proficiency perk that you purchase as an addon (and takes a proficiency perk) and then it lets you use that weapon at the speed your CQC allows.
Why should we do this? it's stupid to argue you can disarm Sasuke or Mifune and their attacks are suddenly dramatically slower. It makes sense. It means using a weapon is more of an investment.
What's an example from the canon that makes a great argument for a uniform CQC tree instead of separating it. Sasuke. Sasuke goes from being a highly competent taijutsu fighter for his age and skill with several jutsu such as peregrine falcon drop, shishi rendan, and the dreaded hurricane formation attack, to being a highly competent sword fighter. He invested time in learning how to use a sword and became a better close range fighter as part of it. He's a highly capable hybrid fighter who has made investment into fighting in close quarters. When you disarm him, he doesn't get slower; he just loses access to a suite of abilities like chidori katana. You could make a similar argument for Bee being a very highly capable taijutsu fighter and kenjutsu fighter.
There isn't a single instance of someone getting disarmed in Naruto and becoming utterly helpless against an opponent they were formerly equally matched with.
But Bonga, this makes CQC too powerful. It gives a huge advantage to close quarters combatants against ninjutsu fighters.
It don't. This isn't about the snipers fighting CQC boys. This is about how, sweaty CQC action and making parity for investing in your ability to fight. Mastery or focus with or without a weapon would come to light by the number of jutsu that people have for a specific kit, be that a katana, a spear, or their bare hands. If this still leaves you unconvinced and believing this is a straight CQC buff despite making using a weapon two prof slots (or rather, if you'd like to see a different 'problem') then...
Make CQC cost more points to invest in as you climb the tiers than other professions. No bible says all costs have to be the same. Often CQC people need something to buy that isn't their cores anyway.
I open the floor for discussion now.
Thanks for reading, Bongod
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Post by itome284 on Feb 24, 2019 14:41:20 GMT -5
nothing culd go wrong by fusing cqc into everything
the current system already lets u use multiple weapons per weaponist tier, idk why it'd be such a problem to add cqc and kenjutsu into those options
it's not like the admin team is retarded enough to give someone with gates iaido, right?
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2019 14:49:04 GMT -5
This was already discussed before but I guess I'll restate it here. For attack speed, it'd probably be best to make attack speed -2 from the person's highest CQC spec for any other CQC specs. (ex. T4 Taijutsu would have T2 attack speed when using a katana with no katana spec. Obv. someone with the proper spec and all the skillcards that accompany it would be better at T2, however. If they got T3 katana skill though then it'd just go by their katana skill instead.)
It'd make them not completely hopeless if they SOMEHOW get disarmed but also make it so that they still need to get the spec/skillcards for it to actually exhibit full proficiency in something. Technique also makes up someone's proficiency in something, after all. Not just attack speed. A T2 or T3 (anything really) accounts for attack speed AND actual technique I believe.
Then there can just be a unique like that lets someone's highest CQC spec count for all their other CQC spec's attack speed or something. so basically what bonga is proposing, in my opinion, would only be fine for someone who is willing to get a unique and has plenty of CQC specs to validate it.
(ex. someone who invests in T4 taijutsu would have T4 attack speed with katanas as well. They'd also have T4 attack speed with polearm and other random ass weapons.)
nevermind the fact this argument is kind of stupid in the first place since kenjutsu users never get disarmed in naruto rp. or that, even if they do, they have backup swords. or just other things in their skillset to prevent them from getting fucked up in any given situation if they're not completely retarded.
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bonga
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 14:52:44 GMT -5
You misunderstand my proposition.
You would not be able to use a weapon competently without the perk that lets you use that weapon. You wouldn't have t4 cqc and be able to use anything under the sun at t4. You'd be able to use your fists and whatever weapons you speced into. The biggest differences between our suggestions is that I think if you have 4 kenjutsu and 3 taijutsu skillcards it should all count as the 7 you need for tX cqc.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -5
I'm aware of the fact you'd only be able to proficiently use the things you spec into under CQC with your suggestion. My opinion still stands because nobody really wants to get to B- and have to deal with the guy who specced heavy into CQC and effectively has T4 Taijutsu, Kenjutsu, etc. It's something I think that, while it sounds good on paper, would be really, -really- strong in practice.
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bonga
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 15:02:28 GMT -5
...Yeah but that's the point, right? Should you not be good at something you spent multiple professions on? It's not the CQC guys responsibility to make sure someone else built well enough to beat him.
Do you think anyone wants to deal with the guy that has T4 lava? T4 Boil?
We shouldn't make decisions based off of whats fun to play against. We should make decisions based off of whats fun to play.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2019 15:05:01 GMT -5
The overall enjoyment of players is something that should be taken into account. If someone has T4 lava and T4 boil, they're definitely going to be higher than B- and have invested into a bunch of skillcards and shit to get up to that point. At best they'd have like T4 lava and T3 fire or something at B-. That's why it's not fair.
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 15:20:32 GMT -5
..........bro
There's punctuation between those two things. A question mark; I didn't mean for you to think those two things would be on the same character. I'm saying fighting the guy with lava, boil, scorch, mangekyou, gates, lightning armor...
All that shit sucks if you suck? But they invested into it, and its fun for them. Naruto isn't about being fair anyway. You'd have to have a lot of skillcards to have t4 cqc. I just don't understand why you think that because its close combat it's somehow "too strong" compared to a guy that can shoot a barrage of 5x5 dragon heads.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2019 15:45:42 GMT -5
Because close combat isn't meant to be as strong as ninjutsu. Magical ninja powers will always be stronger than punching something. You're basically just trying to make close combat rival ninjutsu when, in reality, it's not meant to. If Naruto isn't about being fair then I'm not sure why you're trying to make CQC 'fair'. Just as you told me nobody is going to get Ninjutsu without any CQC specs, nobody is going to be CQC without any Ninjutsu or other shit unless they're going for gates.
Therefore CQC specs are just normal specs. People can advance them the same as they do w/ other specs. There's no real reason for them to be special. If someone wants to have all CQC specs they can just get a unique to boost them up if it really means that much to them/their character.
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 16:07:09 GMT -5
It won't be as strong as ninjutsu. It can't be without ninjutsu helping it in some form. It's in my initial post that this isn't about anything except for close quarters versus close quarters. It is advanced the same as other specs. I even suggested that it cost more and that each weapon requires a profession slot. Besides that, basic attack speed and tiers shouldn't really ever be a difference maker enough that a dude with fists is suddenly overcoming someone that can shoot a lightning rail gun with six handseals.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2019 16:20:29 GMT -5
I don't see it mattering much in the long run so I guess it's w/e. It just seems a tad over the top since I don't really see a crippling issue with CQC as it currently is. It realistically doesn't make any sense for attack speed/skill to extend to all your CQC specs but if this'll somehow make CQC more fun and balanced then so be it.
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Post by tarp on Feb 24, 2019 20:03:10 GMT -5
if i'm good at fuuton i should be good at suiton too. please merge all elements into one profession so i can be good at every element. it only makes sense.
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Post by mimloopen on Feb 24, 2019 20:22:35 GMT -5
My only concern is it making CQC OP, which it already feels slated to be.
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 20:37:03 GMT -5
pls explain how it would make cqc op
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Post by bonga on Feb 24, 2019 20:38:48 GMT -5
if i'm good at fuuton i should be good at suiton too. please merge all elements into one profession so i can be good at every element. it only makes sense. my pussy hurt i can't understand the difference between chakra natures and the ability to move my arms i can't understand that even if all elements were merged into one I would still need to get suiton jutsu and fuuton jutsu and that my suiton jutsu doesn't suddenly also become wind
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